DXCC Award Status 160m

[WA2SQQ]

Just discovered another similar problem, as I last reported, but I'm not so sure its a "bug".
Received a QSL from OM5XX via Clublog. Updated the QSL checking off CLUBLOG as the method I received the card by.

Now when I view award status it still shows that contact as "W". It's not picking up the fact that the contact has been verified.

What I discovered is that when I went into AWARD MANAGER / Select DXCC / Confirmation - only four choices show for what defines "Verified" They are CUSTOM, EQSL, LOTW and QSL. So where is CLUBLOG?
I went back to the QSO and also updated QSL data to show QSL verified. Guess what - now AWARD STATUS shows the contact verified. Why won't a QSL via CLUBLOG be counted?

[G4POP]

Only LOTW and physical card are valid for DXCC as confirmation - No other type

[WA2SQQ]

That's not true. If I submit a request for a QSL via OQRS or CLUB LOG I do receive the QSL card. When you go into the QSL section to manually note when and how the request was made these are valid choices. If the QSL card is received as a result of that request it has been validated, the contact is confirmed and should be so documented. How is that an different than when a station sends me a QSL?

[G4POP]

From the LOTW web site - Where does it mention any other type of confirmation than LOTW or QSL card?

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However if you want to view it differently just change the award confirmations in the Award but it will not then conform to DXCC as far as I am aware

[WA2SQQ]

Club Log or OQRS are not verifications, they are the means to contact the station to receive a QSL card.
The end result is that after using either service, the station I contacted sends me a paper QSL card, which is a verification.

Have you ever used either?
In most cases the station is listed on either service. Instruction usually offer either a PayPal address or an amount to cover return postage. I would follow those instructions and receive a QSL card in the mail. LOG4OM allows you to manually select these services for the method used to request a QSL. Once received I need to manually enter the date. Problem is, that neither service is offered in the received section. These are verified contacts, though the user needs to manually enter them - no different than receiving a QSL in the mail

[DF5WW]

You have to update your QSL status if you receive a paper card. If you need it verified at LotW you have
to send this card to a LotW card checker. There is no other way as to do so. Except the guy who send you
the paper card is doing a LotW upload too. No other electronic way via eQSL, Clublog or others.

[G4POP]

You have to update your QSL status if you receive a paper card. If you need it verified at LotW you have
to send this card to a LotW card checker. There is no other way as to do so. Except the guy who send you
the paper card is doing a LotW upload too. No other electronic way via eQSL, Clublog or others.

Correct

[WA2SQQ]

Regarding the paper card and card checker, that is correct. However you are making the assumption that all hams will submit contacts for awards like DXCC. LOG4OM serves as the award list for the operator, and not all hams will submit their contacts for awards like DXCC. For those ops, the award status is an incomplete and inaccurate representation of their achievements. It's a given and acknowledged fact that cards can't be submitted electronically. I guess we can agree to disagree. I'm going to see how many other programs follow this logic. I do thank you for taking the time to respond.

[G4POP]

Then if your not interested in the awards and therefore dont need the statistics to reflect the DXCC rigid status of cards and LOTW confirmations only you have two choices

1. Record the OQRS as a card received and validated

2. Change the award specification in the award manager

We have to make the assumption that the user will need to view accurate statistics that MATCH those found on the ARRL DXCC website thats why we stick to the award rules.

You have another option which is to create your own dedicated award in the award manager, detailed instructions of how to do that are in the user guide

[WA2SQQ]

Option #1 is what I did.
This matter was brought to my attention my 3 other hams who recently stopped using LOG4OM and switched to another program. I do believe that LOG4OM is one of the best programs out there. I've shared your responses with them. I hope you didn't take my position in a negative way. I do believe that user feedback is very important, and discussing it can assist others.
Thanks again